Good evening and welcome to
a fish bowl of popcorn I'm Marilyn Campbell and I'm going to be moderating i
discussion tonight and with me are two of our regular panelists candidates Terry
and Bob Bradley and we have it gets paid with if they see evening by B.
And Anderson I'm starstruck. They get it right I'm talking about the memory problem
that we are going to be discussing
a movie about memories and emotions in animated form and it was filmed
by Pixar which is called Inside Out and Bob Brown is going to give us
a brief summary since I saw this last night but from the very fresh in my memory
this is
a film created as you said by Pixar Well Disney's Pixar Pete Docter and right
although Carmen the directors and came up with the story of his doctor was partly
responsible for that and it's about
a little eleven year old girl and her mom and dad who travel from Minnesota to San
Francisco where he's kind of
a job forthcoming so well yes and so you travel
through the girls burst to that moment when she's moving and you see her
memory which consists of just the basic memory elements anger
happiness disgust and fear so that was it incessantly sadness Oh
absolutely one of the most people or got sadness how can I forget that well you
know knowing that anyway it's it looks inside everyone's
head to see those characters of the memory components as they motivate the shell of
the person on the outside and the girl. Goes through growing pains
in terms of her movement and also how her emotions evolve but it's
really about the story of the memory components within her head primarily happiness
and sadness and anger and fear and disgust. So you get to see them in
an animated world that her memories created of and it's quite an eye catching movie
quite thought provoking and I think had to think of my own head and that of that
moment I don't. Well. Do it and you wonder why
he did the writers and directors may have chosen an eleven year old girl is they as
the sort of. A laboratory for for discussing emotion
and memory and experience and how they interact in your head I mean besides being
the sort of the core demographic of
a Pixar Well you've got wonderful presidents I mean there's
a Wizard of Oz where you have a similar coming growing up story and as
a president you've also got the Japanese anime her film of the little girl goes
with her parents to this. Museum and park What was the name of that. And her
parents disappear and she then wanders into this. This world of creatures
that are very bizarre you know I am missing this program this race is going to see
this and I don't know where it is you know. In my memory bank forced to take you
may have just been you got I was in Wonderland for God's sake I mean this is
a prototypical. Heroin young heroin story the drug I mean it's it's got everything
you could possibly want I haven't seen the movie so I mean the presumption because
I didn't see your question. And Bobby is we should say is I direct or normally and
she's in high school some of the nine eleven she's
a little she may well have it close to that yes I was there for she where she got
me going to be have
a better explanation than I but I mean eleven is on the cusp of puberty an
adolescent something's up with us and you know also at the time in this country
with
a lot of kids going to middle school and I think Middle School is so frightening
and so it can be so. Intimidating that it probably
brings out
a lot of you know you want to be with others you want to connect but you're so
afraid of being the odd person it is it is sort of a limit on age between being
a child and then once puberty hits making it a teenager I think it's
a. That period when
a lot of people are uncertain where where they fit and where their motivation is
being with them or what's their relationship to their parents because they're still
kind of little kids but they they're kind of on the cusp of wanting to be
independent when not about I thought it was interesting how. It seems like they're
out like maybe the first half before like she decides to run away and her parents
kind of see her as like perfect kind of angel and I think because
a lot of kids their personalities may be like I don't know I'm just going oh I
don't know but you know your personality is kind of like developing but then her
parents still see her as this kind of ideal you know obviously as a quarter or
a friend she does well on school and all those and that age is kind of the age
where everything like one big move can kind of change all of that and I think maybe
. Maybe they chose the stage partly because of what you said it's right before
everything kind of changes and this big change maybe kind of propels that forward
a little. Well as I remember when I was. A young mother was about to have children
and I went and we just child psychiatrist came to speak to mother used to being the
son all of you will be your best mother between the ages of six and eleven. Perfect
he just after eleven just said you know. I'm all right enough
but you know with everybody's kids you know it was in the end of this movie there
is a there is
a point where where big emotions are in the mind saying Well now now things have
calmed down we read they said what about that but you know over there that says
puberty and one more comment that you claim I pronounce it wrong I think I don't
know let me show you the family who were to your son.
I mean there's
a little boy in order to give you the sense yet at the end like at the very end she
likes you some point they still keep and you can see in his brain but you know such
completely like them projects right down yes I mean this is the girl but yes I am
a little bit of everything reasons that I think some of the end perfectly for like
a sequel are like. A real you and my friend right after the movie and she was like
I need to see the next one. Yet you're puberty and I wonder partly they
chose that age because it would be just Morris like simple to do the emotions and
kind of create that whole other world without you know all the other stuff that
comes from well it has you know one of the things that I went to this movie going
to
a smaller children who were eight and six and. They were very upset
at the idea that very fair warning and in this memory bank there's
a page about it where forgotten things are are showed that there are you know old
memories that are already. Excessively anymore they have their men or boys and
they've been shipped off and they can't and they were very upset by that they can't
they couldn't believe that he would forget things like the names of your stuffed
animals and. And and your imaginary friends and all the kind of things that are and
their rage are very very real but but those are things that you begin to shed and
it's you made it into nineteen away I mean you start saying Well I mean that's
a little they can you know play with
a sparkle point or I have to you know play with an American Girl dolls and you have
to you know move on and they haven't they were they found that out upsetting the
idea you move on but that's one of the things that whereas that's part of the
memory you know that's an interesting observation because maybe this film is too
advanced for especially girls at that age because it's disturbing I mean it's nice
to go out into that as you live but to be thrown It's like saying there's no Santa
Claus Oh you know really they didn't bring matter. And they could very
well what to do something about it that they want and are and I am yeah
that's for sure wages are an exceptional mental guidance job are under seventy.
Right. Well I understand film as I say you see this but I understand that memories
pain you drollness and that I did watch an interview quickly just before he came
with the director and he said that the memories do Cheney when these different
emotions get
a lie right and that's not good to me I confess and the thing to do I want to
explore and I think it is fascinating I think because I think Bob said some point
that sadness is one of the key characters in the movie and one of the things that
she does and take happy memories and hit them was that it's because they're past.
That she said it changes the memory it changes the memory and joy it's my happiness
and joy right Joy very distressed because she has been the dominant as as Bobby
said Joy's been the dominant emotion in this little girl's well of him he's been
a florist and all the others have kind of been subordinate the playing minor roles
and then this move throws everything into right into
a different balance of power. Does it does
it appear that sadness is critical because without it your
excuse if you don't have sadness and you've got nothing and so you have no emotion
I think that was one of the main kind of like maybe deeper messages of the movie
was trying to kind of convey because up until then she really likes sadness joy
it's kind of shock sadness of
a signer like tries to get her to do something Joy has her like Reba try and start
of manuals or whatever gets her to kind of go to the side because she's afraid
she's going to ruin the memories but it kind of that joy kind of saves you know I
mean the sadness kind of saves everything away and it's almost like the fact that
Riley. Right right yeah OK that she ends up she kind of goes she deals with the
emotions and she goes through sadness and that she realizes that oh you know there
actually is another side to this and I can be happy now that now that I've been sad
and I thought that was kind of man you're when you're younger you don't really it's
kind of you're neither one of motion on the other and she kind of realizes that
sometimes to be happy you have to experience some fun as currents and And what
about the role of fear because without fear I would imagine you're not motivated to
do too much well in the moment the fear is mainly there is
a safety thing you know if you see something that might be
a little dangerous beard tell him to avoid it right but his support trait is also
it's necessary and you know you know they're all they're all necessary you know
necessary depends on what's down with him but I think that I think there's sadness
thing is that is that you need to admit you're sad and that's one of the things
that the parents don't want to hear from this little girl is that she's right she's
experienced any disruption or that would make them say feel guilty and yeah and and
the fact that she's finally able to say oh I missed it so and I miss my friends
and this is not working for me and then they can then they can comfort her. And
that sort of rebuild every way she said the fact that fact that they were denying
that there was anything wrong ways was damaging their relations and I think it was
really interesting the way that portrayed as another thing that was frightening for
small children is that certain parts of her personality start to crumble because of
this directions and. There's
a there are little islands in there for marrying and each and each memory has
a component has its own special which is filled with things which are then and
collapse as they're threatened there's a sadness and happiness there's
a book of poetry by Robert and schemed poet laureate called sadness and happiness
and it's based on I think he sat with his children before bedtime and they thought
of sad things that happen and happen things happen during the day so they kind of
balance each other out. So that's is it you know you can do. The first
thing I want to conjure up my imaginary friend to break me out of some sense of.
That I thought one of the most scariest things for me while watching the movie was
the rush of the movie was going to solve it was what I was thinking about watching
I mean I started thinking about like trying to like remember I would like to think
of
a memory that I hadn't thought about like years because of this and be like wait this
actually is true I do forget things and I'm like I feel like you don't really I
never thought about that like I do forget things and some areas probably will fade
and then I won't you know you can see that a little girl anymore can be
a much more complicated girl when her friends at ten are like to tell the story of
a big city all just who reaches a certain advanced age and he's a dean at
a college I think is how it goes and he says every time I learn the name of
a student I forget the name of the for. I'm guess and so that's what I mean I think
I just didn't get it yet I am sure you know which I didn't even.
Know memory unveiled what is. The mentality of. This movie is actually based on
neurological research there's an article this weekend in The New York Times Week
in Review section five to two doctors to professors wonderful and wasn't invited
her on the movie and one of the things that. He says in the article as of course
there are more than five motions but bet the filmmakers thought that five was about
the limit of what they could have a minute and make some kind of
a story out of and also that he objected to the fact that sadness was made so
passive because he doesn't think that this is passive. It was how is it really did
you feel that said this was faster in that he has his own. Like.
Folks around and you know lives down here I want doesn't have the energy to get up
and walk around and have
a drag but I'm going there like in the May of memories or whatever and joy actually
has like dried her by the fire. But I thought that was essential to her
characterization animation Yeah I mean how did you know about wife Lisa and Justin
but he just wouldn't work on the screen what did he say what he meant by passive
this big bets that she wears had to be dragged you know oh that's what this yeah oh
yes what's what would he have chosen for her to do it with director Peter you know
that's right exactly I think you understand I mean come on again that's not sadness
Yeah right exactly and I think she was perfectly well and now I think interview
with the director fresh air and you heard this and Terry Gross asked him she said
it's been
a Catholic or Jewish child shouldn't you be and I am and
he said that had been considered but it was dismissed as one of the ones they
didn't choose there were many Some people have had some psychologists come up with
twenty seven emotions some come up with two or three and some of this they had to
get rid of guilt and I thought my translator and I think if they had put even just
one more one of them home for you know Yes yes I bet one criticism I have the movie
is that I don't I was very interested in writing and rightly so I thought that they
spent too much time inside our heads and none of which to. With her sideways things
that were actually happen in your life by Bobby told me that she have
a green cell Well I think she and I don't completely disagree but I think one of
the things that they did well in the movie was they kept kind of external plot but
kind of. Her real life simple book the plot as you know they move she has
a stablished life they move and she can ask to rebuild everything but before that
she can do that she has to go through all the emotions of you know losing kind of
her own life or her childhood part of her trial them and I thought it was good that
they kind of kept that simple so that you could really focus on. Like kind of the
adventure that joint sadness had on the whole dynamic of all the emotions I think
if they had added more to like Riley's story and what happens with her and her
parents I think it kind of would have taken away from the actual you know message
of the movie and the actual intent that I got yours so yes because if you just
that's right if you just concentrate on her story alone it's very straightforward
and simple on the outside. But inside but inside there's
a lot of things happening and her train of thought could I suggest
a more current crass intraparty. And actually this is something I wanted to ask you
the five people who voice these emotions are famous Yes Yes Was that why why what
you know I mean I would agree my then I think it's the opposite I think that they
wanted those five emotions to be very important characters and therefore they
wanted famous people OK that's Midwestern That's generous of you
because I think you know all those these movies they use famous people to act
whether it's that kind of motivation or not they used famous people behind the
voices we started even mention their names we saw Yeah. Oh is about two or
three years ago about
a voiceover artist we know their voice over artists are not employed fully employed
that there are so many out there who could use the work who do these Pixar and
Dream Works And one thing insist on using the things people because they can and I
mean that really annoys me I think it. In the case of Amy Poehler who plays joy
it's because Amy Poehler has
a very distinctive voice so to voice over artist can do that I thought it was like
perfect for joy especially because I had her personality as an actress as well as
two parts and Raf I kind of yes I think you know any picture of that person knowing
the emotion or what's behind it when you publicize the film you get much more bang
for the buck if you have famous people behind the voices you get that talk about
the experience I can't and I didn't really I mean I didn't see
a whole lot of I mean by publicizing
a lot but I didn't really actually realize who the voices were until I got I had
heard it was Amy Poehler and I didn't really hear yeah I don't think kids are going
to this are going to you know they're not going to care at all but I do think that
might that commercial aspect might be behind it for some of I'm sure the commercial
aspect be kind but it seems sort of sad because there are so many voiceover artists
who need the well that name three of them but if you do you think then you can't
they're not well I don't think well I mean that we did see that movie F.A.Q.
Leasehold about voiceover you know we're you know world well my life I think the
question is who is the casting director on
a film like this and who one voiceover artist do they know because they can't they
have
a casting director who specializes in voiceover Oh I think Pixar would probably have
access to that yeah if they wanted to if they wanted to but I think in this case
they wanted to match the personalities with an emotional Lewis Black plays and they
are Lewis Black his famous way he's famously angry Exactly and you can and
animators actually look at as I understand at least in the days that I watched Well
Disney animators on the Disney Channel just me T.V.
Show way back when I was
a kid they'd show animators looking at faces. And you have the
animation then animating sort of like the character of the boys it's the person I
think that's certainly doing what I do when Yeah and when. Joan Cusack plays
cowgirl phrasing right that and the cowgirl looks very much like now cue back yeah
it has many of the same. Visit go takes its gestures and things like that and there
I think that they borrow the credits did at the end if you stayed to the end
credits which I always recommend that everyone do because you know never know what
you're going to miss there was
a long list of also voices in the adult many names so there were not people
unemployed all right there were many more employed and you might think but I mean
at the end of the movie did you say oh thank god they had Lewis Black in that role
Yes I think there are the men are going back yes men in the role of sadness Yeah
you said you know I said
a guy who is black over the movie played him people there was perfect there there
might have been voiceover actresses and with whom we don't know and that would be
good but I don't. OK I was perfectly happy Everything kind is here and then you're
here with behind and forgotten he was perfectly OK even heard of it and he was
gratifying yes yes yes they were did you cry but. I was I mean I'm there
are those parts where I was a real little much hero there was
a couple people that were just outright solvent I was. Just like the star and I was
like what movie are you watching and I know you said you already made me move to
the left that we're trying to do the film and where did you see it I saw that might
help me I mean I'm not going to help my own Ellesborough that I mean they were the
afternoon things like seven thirty. I saw at eight fifty show at AMC
Hamilton twenty four on and there were
a lot of families there I was surprised because I thought I want to bring the kids
to bed because it's and then and I wasn't in the afternoon where there were plenty
where there were plenty plenty of Sauber and they were kids you know I mean they
were dogs but now oh my God And it's
a real tear jerker Cammy. Well Carol told is that she cried buckets at the end of
Toy Story three zero. Win the race goes off to college or something.
Kerry would just do there's a B.
If I thank you movie for her I know because it's it's about emotion
and memory what is more sort of what's more emotional yeah that than looking in and
saying gee you know when that happens and I think that Bobby is right to talk about
a sequel because I think the end of the moving we've been in Riley's my for for
ninety minutes and at the end of the movie said Lee We can't go into all the
different kinds of mind to go into Mom as we go into Dad we go into little boy she
bumps into this brink we go to. A woman who has
a hell. Pizza Shop in San Francisco we go into
a dog we don't all want calabash but that is having
a big fat bill Larry into the mind oh yes he's under my save their life with their
for their hand I'm there for an animal animals in the case of the cats why they're
for their different color than I would say we're going to have people who thought
it was like cats and the fear this is of course happens to cats all the time the
fear cat goes up to the console in
a post that pokes their joystick and the cats leave because we have something goes
awry I'm. Going to disappoint cats there.
You might our time or has stopped us are trying to read up we probably aren't into
the end. For you carry some oh yes I can only summed up by saying that I really
really do and I really I don't share I did and I was am going to see the movie I Am
It sounds terrific and you got the point nine on I.M.D.B.
To make it like an idea and I don't plan to see it it's highly right it's highly
rated and users like so much thought was behind it and I think
a lot of research was behind it EVER EVER all the scientists and the psychologist
who said yes yes this is you know back to you know how the Michael works they
haven't made their way and that your core memories are stored during sleep and your
Hear hear other kinds of things happen you forget they. Had all that stuff is that
right so that was nice Bobbie what your final three I mean I loved it I thought it
was great I mean I like how I think about things I like the most about it was how
simple it is but how shows that like behind something. Even as something very like
normal it was it was a very like kind of normal storyline for rightly you know
a lot of people have to move cross-country
a lot it happens very often I don't want people to go through all those emotions it
wasn't some crazy story and yet behind it they were so much and I thought it was
interesting that kind of shows you know at first everyone might forget the movie
but like in real life I don't forget them because we're you know. Like in real life
everyone you know everything that we do is kind of I guess there's so much like
different motivations behind it and so many different like ice packs. And like you
know. That was great we had everything everybody has said it's
a very enjoyable film for kids and adults and I began to think
a lot about what's going on inside my brain that was that felt that. Release black
thing. You mention make something everyone like make their own movie of like
they're afraid of possible thanks that you have
a mercenary. Well and I finally have to say that I had
a little bit mixed emotions because I thought maybe there was
a little much time inside the brain and not with the right way but I think that
maybe you guys are right that then this makes it more universal that everyone can
really understand how the brain works in an animated way enjoyable for all
ages really. So go out there and your worst and take in inside out
if you have to have time with them or I take your small children and your and your
baby take your parents. Thanks for joining us on a fistful of popcorn.